*Chokes*..

All command links to 5 to use Command Ships? Even if they're completely irrelevant to the ship being flown?

Correct!

Independent of ships if the skill training requirements change, then yes. In order to train those skills after the expansion hits you will need those skills trained.

So for the Fenrir you will need to first have Advanced Spaceship Command at level V before you can start training Minmatar Freighter, but the prerequisite for that skill has changed.

I do like most of the changes..

However as a capital pilot I do not agree with the Jump fuel and Jump drive cal skills being required. The way it is not is fine because it allows there to be a definition between an "average" capital pilot and a great capital pilot because they dedicate more time to the skills.

It also allows for super pilots to train a sitter alt in a reasonable time. Most of that additional time would come from training those fuel and cal skills, without it the training time would be much quicker and not 146 days.

I also would like to ask this. You state that "if you can fly it now you can fly it after" Does this mean that pilots with the bare minimum in skills to fly a archon with NO jump fuel or jump cal trained will get bumped to that level?

If the answer is yes, then please pass me the same amount in skill points so I can put them somewhere else..... I spent my time training JDC 5 and JFC 4 so I can be a good capital pilot, if people are just going to get bumped to the required levels then there needs to be some sort of compensation to people who actually spent their training time to reach it anyways.

but you cannot train it any higher without first meeting the pre-reqs???

Just to clarify one valid question.

• Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
• However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.

Ex:


• You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.

We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.

We know that, your concerns are being brought in our internal discussion . Again, we'll give an answer as soon as we can.

Iteron5 with skill req. at 1 ? You gotta be kidding. Maybe remove all different industrials at all, with 1 leaving for every race, in that case?

I imagine this is probably what's going to happen when the industrials get tiericided.

I'm curious to see how CCP will handle the discrepancy between the availability of the racial variants of industrials.
Amarr have two industrials
Caldari have two industrials
Minmatar have three industrials
Gallente have five industrials, not counting the three special edition models

PLEX to win.

So, from what I understand in that blog, and a few comments in the early pages of this thread, let's assume the following scenario:

I currently can fly every sub cap ship, all specs at lvl 4, so, I have Command Ships 4.
On the next patch, Command Ships requirements introduce the 'specific' Warfare skill requirement, which I don't have to 5, but since everyone has been saying if I have already my Command Ship skill injected and trained to 4, I'll be able to fly it, ok, no problem here.

Then someday I want to get my Command Ship skill from 4 to 5, while not having my * Warfare skills to 5, will it allow me to?

Just to clarify one valid question.

• Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
• However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.

Ex:


• You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.

We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.

Alrigh folks, good news.

We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore.

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.


Hope that's clear - trying my very best